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Post by vitalinia on Dec 17, 2005 23:41:58 GMT -5
Fellow Delegates,
In the matters of regional jurisprudence, it has become necessary to establish the virtues and beliefs that are regarded most sacred in the region in order to have a guideline when directing cross-regional diplomatic affairs. So with the help of all nations of the SNQ, (especially the Sensational Six) let us draft the Constitution of the SNQ and address the key principles that the region shall abide by. Allow me to break ground on this important document by presenting the first two articles of the Constitution for approval:
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Article One:
National sovereignty shall be preserved. No regional law shall be added that seeks to govern the internal affairs of any sovereign nation in the SNQ at any time. This includes (but is not limited to): legal jurisprudence, foreign policy, fiscal and monetary policy, religious institutions (or lack thereof), military policy, and domestic policy.
Article Two:
The Sensational Six, the nations comprising of Vitalinia, Vitalina, Vitalistan, Calvista, Roncelynia, and Beejaya (in place of the nation of Jaymans), five of which are the founding member nations of the SNQ, shall moderate regional affairs, as already stated in the Declaration of the Founding of the SNQ. Each nation is entitled to veto power on any regional resolution on quorum in the SNQ Assembly floor. However, the veto can be overriden by a majority (3/5) vote from the remaining members of the Sensational Six, or a 2/3 majority vote from the entire SNQ Delegation Assembly.
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Post by beejaya on Dec 19, 2005 12:37:02 GMT -5
Article Three:
In case of regional instability, the assembly shall have the authority to create a multi-national military force. With the creation of this force, it shall have a the authority to preserve the peace and stability of the region for the length of it's mandate by any means. It's mandate will clearly state what the objects of this force is.
In case of internal insurrection that threatens the stability of the region, a nation's legally recognized government must give it's consent before forces can be deployed to it's country.
The creation of this force must receive a simple majority of votes for it's creation. Any veto from any of "The Sensational Six" prevent the creation of this force. In order to streamline command, the Sensational Six shall choose a lead nation to head up the command.
No nation shall feel obligated to contribute troops to this force, however if approved by the assembly no nation may obstruct the mission of the multi-national force.
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Post by vitalinia on Dec 19, 2005 15:12:53 GMT -5
I suggest we rename this force as the SNQ Peacekeeper Military. Furthermore, I suggest that instead of "No nation shall feel obligated to contribute to this force" word it as "No nation shall be obligated to contribute troops to this force."
Also, we must add a stipulation that all operations by the Peacekeeper Military/Force may not exceed 6 months unless given written, expressed permission by the head of government of the country that the Military/Force is operating in.
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Post by akebono on Dec 19, 2005 22:20:11 GMT -5
In case of internal insurrection that threatens the stability of the region, a nation's legally recognized government must give it's consent before forces can be deployed to it's country.
I feel that this should be changed to something like,
A legally recognized government of any country may come to the assembly and ask for a multinational task force to help contain an internal insurrection that it deems has the propensity to threaten the stability of the region.
A multinational task force if deemed necessary may deploy forces into a coutry but the country must consent.
The creation of this force must receive a simple majority of votes for it's creation. Any veto from any of "The Sensational Six" prevent the creation of this force. In order to streamline command, the Sensational Six shall choose a lead nation to head up the command.
In light of the possiblitly that one of the Sensational Six nations could be the issue this passage should be changed to something like,
The creation of this force must receive a three fourths vote from all nations in SNQ. If a veto is still wanted by the sensational six and do to the difficulty in getting a three fourths vote, a veto would only be allowed if they get a majority ss vote, 4 out of 6. A 3 out of 6 would not constitue a valid veto.
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Post by vitalinia on Dec 19, 2005 22:42:17 GMT -5
Okay, in light of all this, how does this sound:
ARTICLE THREE:
In case of regional instability, the assembly shall have the authority to deploy a multi-national task force solely dedicated to peacekeeping missions (i.e. regional military intervention with the purpose of restoring order).
A legally recognized government of any country may come to the assembly and ask for the multi-national task force (the SNQ Peacekeepers) to help contain an internal insurrection that it deems has the propensity to threaten the stability of the region.
The Sensational Six may choose a general from any SNQ nation to lead the task force.
No nation shall be obligated to contribute troops to this force. Furthermore, if intervention is approved by the assembly, no nation may obstruct the mission of the multi-national force. All operations by the SNQ Peacekeepers may not exceed 6 months unless given written, expressed permission by the head of government of the country that is currently being occupied.
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I left out the majority voting for creation of the force, b/c ratification of the constitution is implicit agreement on the creation of the Peacekeepers.
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Post by vitalinia on Dec 19, 2005 23:02:58 GMT -5
ARTICLE FOUR:
The SNQ Delegate Assembly is formally established as the gathering of honorable delegates (representatives) of each member nation of the SNQ with the purpose of discussing matters of regional importance.
All international diplomatic grievances within the region must be settled through the Delegate Assembly as well as matters of political and economic resolutions that affects the entire region.
The venerable post of Secretary General shall be held by the Honorable Glen Quagmire of the Colony of Quagmire Region, for whom this region was named in his honor. The Secretary General holds the solemn responsibility of regulating order, impartiality, and honor in the esteemed Assembly.
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I kind of put the cart before the horse. This article will be placed as the second article rather than the fourth.
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Post by vitalinia on Dec 19, 2005 23:04:55 GMT -5
Okay, so this is what we have so far:
Article One:
National sovereignty shall be preserved. No regional law shall be added that seeks to govern the internal affairs of any sovereign nation in the SNQ at any time. This includes (but is not limited to): legal jurisprudence, foreign policy, fiscal and monetary policy, religious institutions (or lack thereof), military policy, and domestic policy.
Article Two:
The SNQ Delegate Assembly is formally established as the gathering of honorable delegates (representatives) of each member nation of the SNQ with the purpose of discussing matters of regional importance.
All international diplomatic grievances within the region must be settled through the Delegate Assembly as well as matters of political and economic resolutions that affect the entire region. Resolutions can be brought forth for voting by any delegate of a SNQ member nation, granted the delegate provides two verbal motions from two other member nations in support of the resolution.
The venerable post of Secretary General shall be held by the Honorable Glen Quagmire of the Colony of Quagmire Region, for whom this region was named in his honor. The Secretary General holds the solemn responsibility of regulating order, impartiality, and honor in the esteemed Assembly, including (but not limited to) the mandate of length of voting time for any given resolution in quorum.
Article Three:
The Sensational Six, the nations comprising of Vitalinia, Vitalina, Vitalistan, Calvista, Roncelynia, and Beejaya (in place of the nation of Jaymans), five of which are the founding member nations of the SNQ, shall moderate regional affairs, as already stated in the Declaration of the Founding of the SNQ. Each nation is entitled to veto power on any regional resolution on quorum in the SNQ Assembly floor. However, the veto can be overriden by a majority (3/5) vote from the remaining members of the Sensational Six, or a 2/3 majority vote from the entire SNQ Delegate Assembly.
Article Four:
In case of regional instability, the assembly shall have the authority to deploy a multi-national task force solely dedicated to peacekeeping missions (i.e. regional military intervention with the purpose of restoring order).
A legally recognized government of any country may come to the assembly and ask for the multi-national task force (the SNQ Peacekeepers) to help contain an internal insurrection that it deems has the propensity to threaten the stability of the region.
The Sensational Six may choose a general from any SNQ nation to lead the task force.
No nation shall be obligated to contribute troops to this force. Furthermore, if intervention is approved by the assembly, no nation may obstruct the mission of the multi-national force. All operations by the SNQ Peacekeepers may not exceed 6 months unless given written, expressed permission by the head of government of the country that is currently being occupied.
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Post by akebono on Dec 19, 2005 23:51:29 GMT -5
Article three
It is proposed that it should be amended as such that the SS veto must be seconded in order to stop unilateralism.
I am not sure whether this second should come from another SS or from any regional country.
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Post by vitalinia on Dec 20, 2005 16:43:08 GMT -5
I hate to use real-world examples as this is a RP game, but it's the only way I can explain why we have veto power....
There is already a checks-and-balances mechanism through the majority override by either the SS or the member nations. This is already more than can be said about the UN Security Council which has veto power yet no such mechanism.
Also, as SS members, we have a solemn responsibility to be stewards and guardians of sovereignty and impartiality in the region. Therefore, actions of unilateralism is implicitly forbidden. It would perhaps be more effective (and time-efficient), if unilateralism by any SS nation is suspected, that it be brought forward to the attention of the SNQ Delegate Assembly for discussion rather than asking for a second motion from another SS country.
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Post by akebono on Dec 20, 2005 22:49:19 GMT -5
It seems that there are really two delegations here in SNQ, the SS, and what can only be called the SNQ commons(or the rest of us). At this moment there seems to be a concentration of power in the SS. At the founding of the SNQ this seemed reasonible and I understand that the SNQ may feel like the SS's baby but in the spirit of forming a community I believe it should be dispersed a little.
For example the secretary General of the SNQ Assembly is controled by a country that is in the SS. Again this made sense at the foundation of SNQ but this position maybe should be used to give the SNQ commons more presence in the Assembly.
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The secretary General is also controlled by the regional delegate. What is the reason this isn't spread out amoung other nations?
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Post by akebono on Dec 21, 2005 3:02:40 GMT -5
This is were I am going with requiring a second to a veto.
for example say
One SS member puts an issue up for a vote and people start to vote on it. Then another SS member vetos the motion. Now It is basically One SS vs. another SS. The veto would carry much more punch if it was followed up by a second SS member.
As for moving the Secretary General position from that of the SS to the Common nations we would give the Common nations as position of power in the Assembly, which until now they have very little as compared to the SS. We would not give him the right of veto but he would have control over the debate at hand, thus encouraging the participation amoung nations. the Secretary General would control timetables for votes and for SS vetos and Seconds to the veto. I.e. no veto would be legitimate unless recognized by the Secretary General.
the Appointment of the Secretary General of the SNQ assembly would be the next debate in this article.
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Post by vitalinia on Dec 21, 2005 11:27:02 GMT -5
I am willing to recognize the second veto motion from a SS nation in order to be deemed legitimate. However, the Secretary General position is something that I feel should really not be changed since a Common Nation (let this be their reference from hencefoward) runs the same risk (if not greater) of committing unilateralism as a SS nation. However, for SS nations, as they are the founding members, there is a moral obligation for them to be impartial in order to see their region flourish. Furthermore, we already know that the majority of member nations in the SNQ have exercised their sovereign right to abstain from regional politics. Therefore, citizens of those nations cannot be deemed qualified to hold the position of Secretary General as it requires a great deal of participation in regional politics.
However, I can consider the post of Secretary General being rotated around SS nations and Common Nations who demonstrate a great amount of participation in regional politics.
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Post by akebono on Dec 22, 2005 1:02:16 GMT -5
How about this
The Secretary General is to be apointed by the SS nations but be a member of the Common Nations. This way the Secretary General derives his power from the SS.
Duties
-Conduct votes, Start time-to-finale -recognize votes.(Both common and SS) -Help with the interpretation of resolutions up for vote.(this is mostly to be used to help the resolution writers be more focused or to make sure they mean what they type. so that everyone is sure of how they are voting.) I.E. calling for a rewrite of the resolution to be more clear. -Keep order and so that the Assembly does not get out of control. -Able to propose resolutions or participate in the regional events just like any other regional Assembly member for vote.
Basically the job would force people to conduct their official business out in the open. As a recognized vote is a published vote.
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Post by akebono on Dec 22, 2005 1:03:05 GMT -5
As you have said though maybe the real issue is how most countries abstain from regional politics.
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Post by akebono on Dec 23, 2005 1:16:24 GMT -5
Even if we did come to an understanding the two of us could not write the constitution without input from the rest of the region. It would never be ratified or accepted.
Akebono
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Post by bigmazy on Dec 23, 2005 10:36:11 GMT -5
Well,why dont you just have Besides SS members one that is of people,aka.one of us ordinary nations that will have same rights as one of SS nations,and will be choosed by regional endorsments of ordinary nations,NOT of SS nations.So one can hold this position for long time or just couple of weeks....this is just a example! And all of his decisions will have to be approved by ordinary nations first. So it would begin balancing powers but still SS would preserve their founding rights. His job would be: -Conduct votes, Start time-to-finale -recognize votes.(Both common and SS) -Help with the interpretation of resolutions up for vote.(this is mostly to be used to help the resolution writers be more focused or to make sure they mean what they type. so that everyone is sure of how they are voting.) I.E. calling for a rewrite of the resolution to be more clear. -Keep order and so that the Assembly does not get out of control. -Able to propose resolutions or participate in the regional events just like any other regional Assembly member for vote.(by Akebono) And thru this look-a-like-SS-nation,we the common people,would get the chance to veto a proposal from a SS nation(sweeeet.....
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Post by akebono on Dec 23, 2005 16:57:41 GMT -5
This is exactly what l purpose. I believe that day to day activities should be left to this person but once they start doing SS activities itwould not be valid unless the Commons agreed. ie vetos, SS seconds, ect.
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Post by akebono on Dec 23, 2005 16:58:18 GMT -5
This is exactly what l purpose. I believe that day to day activities should be left to this person but once they start doing SS activities itwould not be valid unless the Commons agreed. ie vetos, SS seconds, ect.
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Post by vitalinia on Dec 23, 2005 17:01:12 GMT -5
Okay, this sounds good. Someone please rewrite the article accordingly and we'll see if it's suitable.
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Post by vitalinia on Dec 26, 2005 23:58:35 GMT -5
Okay, I guess I'll have to take up the task of rewriting this...
PART B OF ARTICLE TWO:
The post of Secretary General shall be held by a Common Nation from the Sovereign Nations of Quagmire, as voted upon by the majority of the Sensational Six. If there is deadlock, the voting shall be deferred for voting by the Common Nations.
The sacred responsibilities of the Secretary General is as follows: -Organize voting procedures for resolutions in quorum on the SNQ Delegate Assembly floor. -Recognize votes (from Sensational Six Nations and Common Nations) -If necessary, call for clarification/rewrite of new resolutions in quorum. -Maintain strict impartiality and order during Assembly sessions.
The Secretary General shall maintain full voting rights and resolution proposal privileges as a delegate of his/her home nation. The delegate elected to the post of Secretary General shall hold the post for no longer than two consecutive months. The Sensational Six reserves the right to remove the Secretary General from his/her post with a no-confidence vote by the majority of the Sensational Six.
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